This could also be the case for people that make off hand comments and put downs and yet know nothing about what I am trying to do.

I do not discuss private talks with developers, and business deals on the public forum, UNTIL there is something to discuss.

No problems there. You won't hear another word about what I am doing UNTIL it is done.

somebody comes along every six months and enthuses about RISC OS and evangelises about how we could take the OS market by storm and so on and so froth

Please tell me that was deliberate and not a typo. The context makes it too beautiful to be a typo.

Which is what I am doing. Unlike you, I do not discuss private talks with developers, and business deals on the public forum, UNTIL there is something to discuss.

Speaking of which, I'd rather like to hear (privately) from you, Andrew! I can't help feeling that as one of only about 3 companies to still try and make a living from RISC OS development, we might be able to help each other a bit?

-- Snip rantastic --

I'm afraid you've mixed up various attributions between myself and the other Peter, so it's not really worth quoting you. If you are going to accuse me of stuff, how about some examples? Otherwise it's all hand waving.

Also, I think less hyperbole would help. Let's stick to what I *actually* said, rather than extrapolations to what you think I might have meant.

This could also be the case for people that make off hand comments and put downs and yet know nothing about what I am trying to do.

I do not discuss private talks with developers, and business deals on the public forum, UNTIL there is something to discuss.

No problems there. You won't hear another word about what I am doing UNTIL it is done.

This is the problem. You're consistently not really saying anything. If you have a realistic plan, then please share. You have to understand, somebody comes along every six months and enthuses about RISC OS and evangelises about how we could take the OS market by storm and so on and so froth, so until there's something definite or concrete, it's easy to be sceptical. And remember, all these doubters and nay-sayers and the redoubtable Mr. Naulls are currently the heart of your potential userbase - so if you can't convince us, you'll have a hard time convincing those who have never used anything but Windows.

Which is what I am doing. Unlike you, I do not discuss private talks with developers, and business deals on the public forum, UNTIL there is something to discuss.

Speaking of which, I'd rather like to hear (privately) from you, Andrew! I can't help feeling that as one of only about 3 companies to still try and make a living from RISC OS development, we might be able to help each other a bit?

Speaking of which, I'd rather like to hear (privately) from you, Andrew! I can't help feeling that as one of only about 3 companies to still try and make a living from RISC OS development, we might be able to help each other a bit?

While I'm all for seeing RISC OS getting a bit more successful, I feel I ought to point out that this doesn't really bode well - in such a small market, surely everyone would have been in touch with everyone else already about potential money-making opportunities?

your email address

I'm not sure a GUI that hides most of an application's functionality behind a physical and unlabelled button can ever be called "intuitive"..

Of course, all of these exist in other OSes, many of them from the same era as RISC OS.

Erm, I rather assumed I didn't need to post email addresses on public forums - if in doubt, it is at the rcomp website

(Thanks to Blind Moose for the tip - I couldn't find email address in the profile when I did a quick check, but it is good to know it is possible)

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More intuitive than e.g. <SHIFT>-clicking for multiple selections IMHO.

Buh? How are these related? You can get by without selecting multiple objects. First time my mother used RISC OS, she thought she could only interact with objects she could see! That's /way/ more limiting.

Err. You were unfamiliar with Video for Windows and AVID?

Less scene in-fighting

I was referring to Windoze

We are looking at the web browser issue, to see if we can help with NetSurf, Firefox or some other browser.

I would like to do a multimedia device for the living room, however I have recently been told that RISC OS isn't up to it. Which leaves the question of if we did it, how to do it.

Then we have negotiations over the licence for RISC OS, which are not clear cut or easy.

We have discussions about whether to support a limited range of systems (like Apple does) or to develop a range of systems from Netbooks, Smartbooks to Desktops.

We then have different streams including a branded music/video streaming/download service. Do we make it open to everyone, or build a ARM/RISC device.

There are opportunity's in the Media & Game industry's.

Classic games on the iPhone, Android, PC, Mac, Linux and RISC OS systems. The rights are there.
Do you want me to stop yet?

I hope that this answers SOME of your questions. and to quote Mr Nualls "It's not real clear what the aim is" I hope this answer's it.

Buh? How are these related? You can get by without selecting multiple objects. First time my mother used RISC OS, she thought she could only interact with objects she could see! That's /way/ more limiting.

I was referring to Windoze (and RO uses the Adjust button as we all know).

Err. You were unfamiliar with Video for Windows and AVID?

Apparently so. I didn't know they were ARMovie-compatible. Not really relevant anyway (I stated "in its day").

Maybe the main area to concentrate on should be:

Less scene in-fighting

Ok, the first thing we are looking at, is to turn Acorn Cambridge into a cooperative, so that the whole community would be able to be a member and have a vote on the direction of the company.

Then we have negotiations over the licence for RISC OS, which are not clear cut or easy.

And never will be until RISCOS Ltd. opens up. And Dave Holden admits I own his beard.

Then we have negotiations over the licence for RISC OS, which are not clear cut or easy.

And never will be until RISCOS Ltd. opens up. And Dave Holden admits I own his beard.

You might own the majority of it, but I've seen snippets of the head licence which clearly show that a large number of individual follicles are owned by third parties and only provided as part of the beard under a strictly non-transferable licence.

Classic games on the iPhone, Android

Granny's Garden

David Holden has an exclusive licence to grow beards within the RISC OS desktop market. We have no idea where John Cartmell got his from but he'll be hearing from our solicitors tomorrow.

I think they were quoted accurately from what you have both said.
The list everything you have said would take a long time.

You won't hear another word about what I am doing UNTIL it is done.

... you seem to be suggesting that hiding 95% of an application's functionality behind an unlabelled button isn't as bad as having to press shift to select multiple objects on the occasions it might be convenient to. Surely you're not this blinkered?

Windoze/"Windows" ...funny in the 1990s.

Ok, the first thing we are looking at, is to turn Acorn Cambridge into a cooperative, so that the whole community would be able to be a member and have a vote on the direction of the company.

I think that's the key sentence out of what Andrew H. has just said.

Besides, I know Peter probably doesn't agree with what I have to say, simply because he likes to be contrary ;-)